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Timing landslide and flash flood events from SAR satellite: a regionally applicable methodology illustrated in African cloud-covered tropical environments
Axel A. J. Deijns
Olivier Dewitte
Wim Thiery
Nicolas d'Oreye
Jean-Philippe Malet
François Kervyn
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- Final revised paper (published on 15 Nov 2022)
- Preprint (discussion started on 23 Jun 2022)
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RC1: 'Comment on nhess-2022-172', Anonymous Referee #1, 13 Jul 2022
The authors evaluate different SAR-based approaches to date landslide and floods time of occurrence. The main assumptions behind the research are: (i) the inventory of the event must be available; (ii) the timing of the event is completely unknown. The authors evaluate five approaches, based on Sentinel-1 amplitude, detrended amplitude, spatial amplitude correlation, coherence and detrended coherence time series in four study areas with different landscape types.
The research is well written and has high potential for publication. However, I have some concerns that I feel must be addressed:
- I believe the strength of the paper relies in the accurate comparison of those approaches, rather than in the new proposed approach. I’d change the tile accordingly, as well as underline this in the text.
- Authors state that reducing the investigation time frame would increase the accuracy, however they consider that no time information is available, while all the methods require the inventory of the phenomena. Now, in cases in which the inventory of the event is available, and the study cases are multiple GH events, I believe the timing is more or less known (at least with +- 6 months of uncertainty). Why did you decide to make such assumption?
- It is not clear how, after processing, the time of occurrence is set by time series analysis.
- Coordinates missing in Figure 1. This figure must be improved.
Suggestions:
- Put coordinates outside each tile of figure 2 instead than into caption.
- Figures 2, 7 and 8 could be improved.
- I would condense the text. This would make it easy for readers to follow the manuscript flow. Sometimes the same details are repeated several times in the text.
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AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Axel Deijns, 28 Jul 2022
Dear reviewer #1, thanks for taking the time to review our manuscript. We hereby provide a preliminary reply to the main concerns. We will provide a full item-by-time reply, including the revised manuscript, once all the reviews are in and a decision is made by the editor
1) Reviewer: “I believe the strength of the paper relies in the accurate comparison of those approaches, rather than in the new proposed approach. I’d change the tile accordingly, as well as underline this in the text”.
REPLY: One of the strengths of the paper is indeed in the use of a number of SAR data products that we deliberately tested within contrasting landscapes. This clearly allowed us to better understand the ability of different SAR products for detecting the timing of these interacting landslide and flash flood events within different landscape conditions and will help us when applying our methodology on a larger set of events. From an event timing detection perspective, however, we are the first one who use SAR to analyze landslides and flash floods together as being co-occurring and interacting events. This combination of geomorphic hazards is quite frequently leading to societal and environmental impacts that are more severe. However, such processes are usually studied in isolation, then leading to an underestimation of their impacts. One key step to study these combined processes together is to collect information on their temporal occurrence. However, these processes are almost never studied together and, so far, there has never been a research dedicated to their combined temporal detection using radar satellite. The use of an unprecedented combination of SAR products, plus the approach of analyzing events containing both co-occurring and interacting landslides and flash floods explains our use of ‘a new methodology’ (as it is summarized in lines 556-560). In our revised manuscript, we will put more emphasis on the fact that we intentionally process landslides and flash floods together to make it clearer for the reader.
2) Authors state that reducing the investigation time frame would increase the accuracy, however they consider that no time information is available, while all the methods require the inventory of the phenomena. Now, in cases in which the inventory of the event is available, and the study cases are multiple GH events, I believe the timing is more or less known (at least with +- 6 months of uncertainty). Why did you decide to make such assumption?
REPLY: The methodology proposed in this research is designed to be applied automatically with minimal intervention, with a focus on the regional scale. More specifically, tropical highly cloud covered areas where data scarcity is prevalent are the first target. In large regions, such as in our study area, information on the temporal distribution of GH events may not always be available. We will make sure that it is better understood.
3) It is not clear how, after processing, the time of occurrence is set by time series analysis.
REPLY: This is addressed in lines 351-358. For this we are using a change detection package named “rupture”, that uses binary segmentation to derive the most significant change within the time series. The resulting variable is basically a point in time. In our revised manuscript, we will rephrase to make this clearer.
4) Coordinates missing in Figure 1. This figure must be improved.
REPLY: Agree, the coordinates will be added in the next iteration.
5) I would condense the text. This would make it easy for readers to follow the manuscript flow. Sometimes the same details are repeated several times in the text.
Reply: We will make sure that repetition in details is reduced to improve the quality of the text; noting nevertheless that reviewers #1 and #2 both praised the quality of the writing.
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RC2: 'Comment on nhess-2022-172', Anonymous Referee #2, 15 Jul 2022
The authors presented a paper in which they developed a model to roughly estimate the timing of geohazards such as flash floods and landslides in central Africa through the use of Sentinel-1 SAR parameters such as amplitude and coherence.
The paper is well written and shows some interesting applications, however I have some concerns and some observations before its final publication.
In particular, I do not believe that the use of Time Series using SAR data to estimate the timing of an event can be considered a novel practice. Several attempts have been performed either using the phase, thus the displacement itself (see Intrieri et al., 2018), and Burrows, as correctly written in the manuscript.
Besides, the methodologies here depicted are based on standard change detection based on the trends.
The key aspect is represented by the abundance and the variety of parameters selected.
Another aspect which should be clarified is related to the trend change threshold. Is there any quantitatively and standardized measure of the change which could be defined for each time series? How can be discriminated a change in the amplitude or coherence trends over the time? Is there a numerical thresholding? If so, how this is calculated, and this can be exported?
I have also some concerns about the reference to both landslides and flaash flood. Do they behave at the same way in terms of amplitude and coherence?
Results show very different timing detection results, however, from the time series analysis seems that this is mostly due to the size of the event. Is there any implication also considering the differences between flash floods and landslides (I would rather consider smaller flash floods since the source and the travel areas can be considered limited with respect to landslides.
Besides, I see a very poor relationship with rainfalls which can be considered a very significant factor for the triggering of such events. Would you please provide a comment?
I have also some minor concerns to take into account:
The introduction section is well written and addresses correctly the scientific theme and the missing gaps. I would just improve and provide more detail in the brief description of the paper and its main outlines in the very end of the introduction.Figure 1 should be redraw also including any reference to flash floods and landslides. Is there any way to distinguish them?
Would you please provide a table about the S1 database used in the research framework?Line 251: why did you keep a rectangular cell even using a multilooking factor?
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AC2: 'Reply on RC2', Axel Deijns, 28 Jul 2022
Dear reviewer #2, thanks for taking the time to review our manuscript. We hereby provide a preliminary reply to the main concerns. We will provide a full item-by-time reply, including the revised manuscript, once all the reviews are in and a decision is made by the editor
1.) Reviewer: I do not believe that the use of Time Series using SAR data to estimate the timing of an event can be considered a novel practice. Several attempts have been performed either using the phase, thus the displacement itself (see Intrieri et al., 2018), and Burrows, as correctly written in the manuscript. Besides, the methodologies here depicted are based on standard change detection based on the trends.
REPLY: To answer this concern, we would like to reiterate an answer provided to reviewer #1 as part of our reply. One of the strengths of the paper is in the use of a number of SAR data products that we deliberately tested within contrasting landscapes. This clearly allowed us to better understand the ability of different SAR products for detecting the timing of these interacting landslide and flash flood events within different landscape conditions and will help us when applying our methodology on a larger set of events. From an event timing detection perspective, however, we are the first one who use SAR to analyze landslides and flash floods together as being co-occurring and interacting events. This combination of geomorphic hazards is quite frequently leading to societal and environmental impacts that are more severe. However, such processes are usually studied in isolation, then leading to an underestimation of their impacts. One key step to study these combined processes together is to collect information on their temporal occurrence. However, these processes are almost never studied together and, so far, there has never been research dedicated to their combined temporal detection using radar satellite. The use of an unprecedented combination of SAR products, plus the approach of analyzing events containing both co-occurring and interacting landslides and flash floods explains our use of ‘a new methodology’ (as it is summarized in lines 556-560). In our revised manuscript, we will put more emphasis on the fact that we intentionally process landslides and flash floods together to make it clearer for the reader.
For the inserted reference, I assume you are referring to this one:
Intrieri, E., Raspini, F., Fumagalli, A., Lu, P., Del Conte, S., Farina, P., Allievi, J., Ferretti, A. and Casagli, N., 2018. The Maoxian landslide as seen from space: detecting precursors of failure with Sentinel-1 data. Landslides, 15(1), pp.123-133.
In regard to this reference, I would like to highlight that we are not using ground deformation. And that using a deformation approach would be impossible given the high velocities these GH events have (shallow landslides and flash floods) Also, for each GH event we see very low coherence values that additionally provide constraints to using ground deformation. Burrows et al. (2022) have been developing a methodology to detect landslide timing using SAR, but specifically only using the amplitude product. We analyze an unprecedented combination of SAR products within contrasting landscapes for timing detection of co-occurring and interacting landslide and flash flood events. So, we therefore consider it a novel methodology.
Burrows, K., Marc, O., and Remy, D.: Establishing the timings of individual rainfall-triggered landslides using Sentinel-1 satellite radar data, Nat. Hazards Earth Syst. Sci. Discuss. [preprint], https://doi.org/10.5194/nhess-2022-21, in review, 2022.
2.) Reviewer: Another aspect which should be clarified is related to the trend change threshold. Is there any quantitatively and standardized measure of the change which could be defined for each time series? How can be discriminated a change in the amplitude or coherence trends over the time? Is there a numerical thresholding? If so, how this is calculated, and this can be exported?
REPLY: The same issue is raised by reviewer #1. The explanation on this is addressed in lines 351-358. To derive the timing, we use a change detection package “rupture”, that uses binary segmentation to derive the most significant change within the time series. The resulting variable is basically a point in time. In our revised manuscript, we will rephrase and expand a bit more on the binary segmentation approach to make the methodology clearer
3.) Reviewer: I have also some concerns about the reference to both landslides and flaash flood. Do they behave at the same way in terms of amplitude and coherence? Results show very different timing detection results, however, from the time series analysis seems that this is mostly due to the size of the event. Is there any implication also considering the differences between flash floods and landslides (I would rather consider smaller flash floods since the source and the travel areas can be considered limited with respect to landslides.
REPLY: Thanks for addressing this issue. We would like to emphasize that we intentionally analyze landslides and flash floods as combined processes; hence the terminology GH events. Often, these landslides and flash floods co-occur and interact leading to more severe impacts (highlighted in line 41-48). We are interested in these GH events as a whole. We intend to use our developed methodology to automatically identify the timing of these GH events in contrasting landscapes, with a high uncertainty in timing (cloud-covered data scarce tropics). We are therefore not interested in their individual parts. This separate analysis of the landslides and flash floods within these GH events is therefore out of scope. We indeed believe that this combined aspect of the analysis must be better emphasized. In our revised manuscript, we will put more emphasis on the fact that we intentionally process landslides and flash floods together to make it clearer for the reader.
4.) Reviewer: Besides, I see a very poor relationship with rainfalls which can be considered a very significant factor for the triggering of such events. Would you please provide a comment?
REPLY: We added the monthly cumulative rainfall and the NDVI time series in order to better understand the seasonal cyclicity within the SAR data products time series. Process understanding is out of the scope of this manuscript. Note, that we can add that a spike in monthly cumulative rainfall time series is not necessarily found at the time of the GH event. First, peaks within daily cumulative rainfall do not necessarily lead to peaks within monthly cumulative rainfall, and second, the spatial resolution of our used satellite rainfall products is sometimes too coarse to detect local convective rainfalls that are associated with the GH events. See for example the works that have been carried out in our study area.
Monsieurs, E., 2020. The potential of satellite-rainfall estimates in assessing landslide hazard in Tropical Africa. Royal Museum for Central Africa and University of Liège PhD thesis.
Monsieurs, E., Kirschbaum, D.B., Tan, J., Maki Mateso, J.-C., Jacobs, L., Plisnier, P.-D., Thiery, W., Umutoni, A., Musoni, D., Mugaruka Bibentyo, T., Bamulezi Ganza, G., Ilombe Mawe, G., Bagalwa, L., Kankurize, C., Michellier, C., Stanley, T., Kervyn, F., Kervyn, M., Demoulin, A., Dewitte, O., 2018. Evaluating TMPA Rainfall over the Sparsely Gauged East African Rift. Journal of Hydrometeorology 19, 1507–1528. doi:10.1175/JHM-D-18-0103.1
Nakulopa, F., Vanderkelen, I., Van de Walle, J., van Lipzig, N.P.M., Tabari, H., Jacobs, L., Tweheyo, C., Dewitte, O., Thiery, W., 2022. Evaluation of High-Resolution Precipitation Products over the Rwenzori Mountains (Uganda). Journal of Hydrometeorology 23, 747–768. doi:10.1175/jhm-d-21-0106.1
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AC2: 'Reply on RC2', Axel Deijns, 28 Jul 2022
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