Articles | Volume 23, issue 3
https://doi.org/10.5194/nhess-23-1079-2023
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Antecedent rainfall as a critical factor for the triggering of debris flows in arid regions
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- Final revised paper (published on 13 Mar 2023)
- Preprint (discussion started on 20 Jul 2022)
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RC1: 'Comment on nhess-2022-184', Anonymous Referee #1, 18 Aug 2022
- AC1: 'Reply on RC1', Shalev Siman-Tov, 12 Oct 2022
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RC2: 'Comment on nhess-2022-184', Anonymous Referee #2, 22 Aug 2022
- AC2: 'Reply on RC2', Shalev Siman-Tov, 12 Oct 2022
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ED: Reconsider after major revisions (further review by editor and referees) (27 Oct 2022) by David J. Peres
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ED: Publish as is (14 Feb 2023) by David J. Peres
AR by Shalev Siman-Tov on behalf of the Authors (14 Feb 2023)
The goal of this research is on the characterization of rainfall that lead to the occurrence of debris flows in arid regions. More specifically on a type of debris flows, here called “short-lived debris flows).
Although the paper is well written in general, I have some difficulties at really understanding some parts of the manuscript. The topic is certainly of interest for NHESS and the research gap on studying debris flows in arid environment is well identified. Nevertheless, this research shows scientific and technical weaknesses that I identified a bit everywhere in the manuscript. They are summarized here in bullet points, followed by more specific comments pointing to issues directly in the text (and also the commented PDF):
With all these issues in mind, I doubt that the present work is robust enough to be published in NHESS. I do not say that the study does not show the potential for it, but it needs at least substantial reworking which could be addressed with difficulty in an “simple” revision.
Specific comments
From the title, we expect several things such as “short-lived” debris flows and antecedent rainfall be a focus of the introduction. However, antecedent is mentioned only once, while “short-lived” is not.
From the title, we expect the focus on the arid regions, however, most of the issues related to the study of debris flows in arid regions that are mentioned in the introduction are illustrated with the description of the study area. I would have expected an introduction that better highlights the challenges/novelties/needs to study debris flows in these arid regions.
Lines 53-56 explain the objective of the research. Two key methodological aspects are highlighted: high-resolution topographic models and high-resolution radar rainfall estimates. It is somehow surprising that none of these “technical aspects” are mentioned in the introduction.
Section 3.1 on mapping methods: I have some difficulties at understanding why there is a focus on the use of multi-temporal Lidar-derived DSM to map the debris flows. Lidar data acquired here 4 times (every other year over the period 2013-2019) represent a great source of data for the characterization of the processes. However, such data are not useful to get the timing information of the debris flows initiation that would allow the rainfall characteristics be analysed. The only way to get the exact timing of a debris flow, assuming that at least an one-day accuracy is needed for such a rainfall analysis, is certainly through direct field observation/media/social network (as explained in lines 110-111). Therefore, also the use of orthophotos is not really appropriate here.
Note however, that the processes that are being studied always need a minimum of “geomorphologic” characterisation (size, shape, mobility) and as such, combining very-high resolution orthophotos and Lidar-derived topographic data, is a great plus to achieve this.
Section 3.2:
Figure 2 is the only visual information that allows to see what a short-lived debris is. And here I must admit that I question the processes that are analysed. To me some of the features look more like debris avalanches. This is the reason why more illustrations (as stated earlier) could be needed. My doubts about the characterization of the processes are further confirmed with the description provided in lines 133-142.
Line 122. Larger debris flows (than the short-lived ones) are not included in the analysis while their occurrence is said to be possible. I am ok with that. However, the authors say that the scars left by these DF could have been blurred by subsequent road construction and floods. Hence my question. If large features can disappear from the landscape, what about the short-lived DF? How reliable is the inventory?
Section 4.1. Rain gauge data are used. However this is not mentioned in the objectives where only the focus on radar-derived rainfall is made.
Figure 5. shows that the highest intensities are not necessarily over the group 3 of SLDFs. However, SLDF do not seem to have occurred in the other areas. Figure 6 confirms this.
Line 255-256: for the first time in the manuscript, a definition of antecedent rainfall is provided. One would expect something definition according to what is usually adopted in the literature on DF so that better justification/comparison/discussion is carried out. Line 294, antecedent rainfall is defined as a continuous rain period that ends up at the moment when the potential highest rainfall intensity is seen. Here also, one would need reference to the literature (see for example: . Bogaard, T.A., Greco, R., 2016.).
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