Articles | Volume 25, issue 3
https://doi.org/10.5194/nhess-25-1255-2025
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Development of operational decision support tools for mechanized ski guiding using avalanche terrain modeling, GPS tracking, and machine learning
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- Final revised paper (published on 02 Apr 2025)
- Preprint (discussion started on 19 Aug 2024)
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RC1: 'Comment on nhess-2024-147', Anonymous Referee #1, 18 Sep 2024
- AC1: 'Reply on RC1', John Sykes, 19 Nov 2024
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RC2: 'Comment on nhess-2024-147', Anonymous Referee #2, 18 Sep 2024
- AC1: 'Reply on RC1', John Sykes, 19 Nov 2024
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ED: Publish subject to minor revisions (review by editor) (22 Nov 2024) by Sven Fuchs
AR by John Sykes on behalf of the Authors (05 Jan 2025)
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ED: Publish as is (06 Jan 2025) by Sven Fuchs
AR by John Sykes on behalf of the Authors (15 Jan 2025)
General comments:
The article can be printed as is, but some minor additions and elaborations could make it even more interesting. I hope my comments are constructive.
This study focuses on developing an operational decision-support tool by combining different technologies and adopting new ones. The present study will provide new insight into avalanche decision-making. It provides a possible baseline for an approach that could assist backcountry avalanche risk management and potentially serve as a training tool.
The manuscript is well-written and easy to follow. The authors made it possible for someone with limited knowledge of machine learning to understand what has been done and how the models have been developed.
Specific comments:
ABSTRACT
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INTRODUCTION
Line 30-35
Since this tool is developed for a mechanized ski guiding environment, I would like some information on the accident/fatality rate in this setting. This is primarily to argue for the development of the tool presented and not just to show what the technology is capable of. If these figures are unavailable, the reasoning behind or need for this kind of tool should be discussed in more detail.
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Consider adding an extra sentence regarding why the public avalanche danger rating/trip planning tool combination is limiting in light of tools like Skitourenguru using it to create a list of runs and assigning them a color based on their risk score. Of course, that’s not your problem, but it is nevertheless interesting. For example, it could contain something on scale/information density/level of uncertainty. This might help the less informed reader to a better understanding.
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Consider adding a sentence explaining the difference between a run and a line since a slope scale assessment is mentioned later in the text.
METHODS
Figure 1
Consider adding a table next to Figure 1 showing the number of runs in alpine and forest and the number of low-use runs in each zone that have been included in the study.
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Consider adding a table showing the elements/factors/variables incorporated in the model for an easier overview and to avoid re-reading too much text.
3.1.1 input nodes terrain characteristics and operational factors
Out of curiosity, did you test model performance with fever input variables? What would happen if you used only runout dept or a simpler terrain characteristic indicator like automated ATES?
Model performance in general
Again, out of curiosity. Is there a difference in overall model performance, for all three models, if one distinguishes between elevation band? For example, runs that are alpine - treeline vs runs that below treeline. I could not find anything on this.
DISCUSSION
Consider adding some thoughts about the mindset feature. It can be regarded as the result of an assessment of other features. This also, to some degree, applies to the last skied (and others) as it is a result of previous assessments of terrain, weather, and snow factors. How does the model perform when these “summarising factors” are excluded?
Consider including some reflection on how the transparency of the BN approach could aid the identification of unknowns in the decision-making process: could the model provide some indication on what information that has to be obtained to become more certain? And could the model provide a “level of certainty score” to the user.
I missed a general reflection on the question: Is it at all possible to know who is right? Neither machines nor humans can predict avalanche danger with absolute certainty because we do not know the stability of the snow in space and time with sufficient accuracy.
Technical corrections
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